Page 1

I 1 f NO 56 •• ■-! I89f Aw* uu

South Walt Crumbles as Fire Finishes First Floor

Bpeclacular Blaze Destroys .F. Deserted College Building

A fire of nnciert'Tmiai d origi year* bid - . ., 1 - . . 1i.1 n : he day nviJii. Th. blaze wa.~. lust s Far: \ hit. I- re Firpartna we j*c By tunc Farinville fiit-i doomed building vo circl: d by 1 aif’a was compleiely illurbin; ted by Tin- F:irmvilli‘ volunteeis quick h. si runs out li (*'it lie." s and wild the help of some of the .-tudeiits bi s.ui playing a steady stream of water on the building. Farmville F'ire Chief* Butcher aid the clos est hydrant was about 1,000 yards away, and this hindered el forts of tiie firemen. According to first-hand reports from .-indents in Cushing Hall, which is located next to Mcll «amc Hall, the fire started on the third floor about hall way back The second and third floors quickly caught fire and the roof began caving in even before the firemen started pouring water on the building. Toe slate from th-. various sections of the roof crashed inward with a rumbling sound, sending showers of sp :k> soarur; upward into the clear mglu. '1 f i• F'aimvilF' f. ■ ■ 1 later joined by volunteer compan ies Irom Cumberland and Buck ingham cf»un::>‘h Tin- three tmtis subdu 'd Hie llames to a ar a' tent. As the danger ,,f to m-; spreading became F-ss and less and as the school wait r 'supply reached a rri’. ical low point Citm b"i land and Buckingham 1.' hi budding ‘site a ratu :>] do;.1 The tecund fioo rw a ■ coinpi-'io ly oil iruyt d by this time, and the fire was -yteaduig dowmvard to the h.-t When th-. ;;u men g (%(' i;;>. ti:. Fames quickly rc g.lined . ois-ur.al font - oread c; tickly ' * tF first note. and compietefy gutted t lie ancient building. Oi e. of a crowd oi over 400 to 500 persons present a tile first oi the lire, only a handful linn r i(l on the scene as the top ,1 tin south w .’! crumbled inward abau-. 3:15 ill. Friday morning. A ! w rtiiiuit(-s 1 her a portion oi the north wall also crumbled, and t! e d diuciam >1 the build:::: «.... c(>m pic' B.ttchi termed the build:::., a “total In ." (Oilier pictures on page <>

I’.iKhp: st Quartet Coneeti \pri! S Til,- fPlh and final cut ■ in Ike Communit v-Collt ■ e A rusts St nc. will b< presented Monday. Aiv tl 8. wlii'n • lie Budapest Strinr Ouartrt appears m i oncer', in J.li.P.,1] Auti.'e: i'll '! l.-va'tt.i'ait C’ek e a* 8 p 111 ’ -h from triumph :n Soul 11 A in •non and Mexico this past summer. ! ■ Budapest St. rim: 1,'uai !,-t is :, ' i iiiesi -re'ip of its kind cn tee rcntvrt starts of the Atotid today; .-up; me in technical skill. : ertoc: on of ensemble . nd m b . n". and ' inlity of tone

i destroyed M Ihvaine Hall, a 68 Hampden-Sydney campus Thurs ahtcd about 11:50 p. m. and the uased by midnight, jig us united "i! the scene, the iimpden-Sydney students and the i lie t..... . - budding. College Has Not Made Plans For New Building

Dr Joseph C. Robert, president oi Itampden-Sydncy College, said today that he had not received a 1:> v.>u'd fniin the College Trust i , o w.mt use \\ is going to be tn.Ke o; tin sin formerly occu gni by Mcllwame Hall, which vas d'-stroved by fin Thursday tight. Hnwi", he said the college is tone: ahead with efforts to clear up . For the ;ak -if fitiety. college workman tore down tie. rickety walls that were I: 1’ s’atiditt ' alter the fire buti. 1.1 itself out. Dr Robert also reported that ’ 1. oi i- m of the fire had not >f ii d( termined. He said the -i.t is;;.'* was partially covered by nsurance but he would not at ems to plat-- ;t value on the : inkling. MeThvaine Hall was built m i 1*90. during the tenure of Dr. Richard Mellwai",". It was ded ■.■'('(! a- ;i memoritil to all those vim had contributed to the life • nti 'vwih oi Hampden-Sydra y (College, and was originally called mortal Hall ' houstcl the classrooms, auditor- . aim and science laboratory for 'lie college. However, these func tion' ; aban taken away from Mr building little by littT-. and i as a .-tore house and workshop. In 192:i. the laboratory func : on. were shifted to the newly erecti ,1 Bar by Hall. The class t o>>m v. egg moved in 1937 wh n M'-t ton Hall was completed, and the- final death blow came in 19.il w gen John.- Auditorium was com pleted. At one time the literary society met ' and t he building was used by the -ilee club, student Hi-nmient: and as the student newspaper office. Tie trustees have considered disposition of the building several ''lines m the past, but no action w.. • tak.-n because of the senti mental value of the building in the eye:-, of many alumni and area n -ideu: s However, the present student body had i,o sentiment attached c aiding .lid w civ a Ini tst in.ai: aiou.-ly in favor of seeing ha building removed from the ■ .imp-:

;-vHf hsul<» TH (>roiip Relocate at Meeting M: s TUaPhcw I via. 0! Krj wil!c. ]'! •■: id> pa ■ •! !ho Paulb; die i ::i> : - l ail I'i' \ - | IV; . t 1011 ■ . 1 h: I ■■ : ctelegah Ap ' 1 g mic,'.n.:1 of iho Vii$nnia A v;a l :oii , ■ i! is wi';-: • [Mien si iiino, oM-cu'iv ‘ VI \ a; ' ■ i a alivi ljf'1. : , i :r. and Mi- J-tniV’ Al'lhairy of the al ii' . ' ' ■ : i i ; i ’ ■ Ti • 111 I I V. : hlf is • H i a 1 1 in To Ri u, TB u • h mini* fills a 111 i I -'ll and spools' Is m fop J old oi.<{■• 11.sj m sritlrf -s (Ip locales ana load ojv ii discussion.;. T; iiiur Party Raises St>i) for Pudding Nh Ay soil i. : Ana ha Ws m - mortal building was .-id las; wi k ! a i)i nctii a. s . j a, • \ spsinor s: h- i..s Allie d a Wi ...a’.; club. Mrs dun Beyer was in charge

Ai Cumhc-.-lond, Thursdoy S('!ioo!men s Panel. Legislative \e!e Manned ai Distriel P-TA Meeting c ■

A Mil" i .iiP'iuimi, principal, school h'-.i : ni' u ’'.:' and a Virginia Con i'I'i vice president will be on a Pan. i d 'Cussnn LetV Look at Out' Schools" during thr meeting of thr F.p mville District P-TA Thursday it Cum hr rla nd ILsh School. ■ i A li.i'devoir. of Cumberland. a " " Po' .tj t,i|- 111r- pane] of Irv'ti S Di: -kill. Bur!'nsh.tm eounty sup. evurndem M P f.rrtr, Karmvtllc ‘L-o Sr’io"! |» nwipal William Ora N o i. "• av c■ Minty .school board n:hc:. and Dr Edcar Johnson, of '■ new-vd Cones- , who is first vice pn .• tdeiit • the Virginia Cong: css of Parents and Teachers. F- A :>trolls Smith, principal of , cn.-.s : -i s m b v c proposals of the V: Onugn p.s during the morn pp- "■ p A \ 11 picscotins (its

be taken after Smith's report. Mrs Ruth. !.. Carnage, of Carters viil* president of the Cumberland Hmh School P-1 A will welcome delegates from the district's coun ties of Amelia Buckingham. Cum berland. Nottoway and Prince Ed ward- Registration is at 0:30 a m., with the morning business session i't'eiii jo begin at to .in o'cErk Robet • Arlington, of Amei; d; rrirt president, will preside during • re b mile:- - sCSr'on which will also •ncl'ide the election of a nominating committee for new officers. After a lunch at 1:15 at the school cafeteria, delegates will return for the final business session at 2 13 pm Thai will include the reports of local P-TA presidents and re . ia i.s by Mrs. F. W Smith, of j ichmond. executive secretary of the Viirpiia Cs-iiieit

College W orkers Pull Down Dangerous Walls

'Festival Four Of Founiv Shrines I , j Prince Edward county's contri bution to the State's observance of the 350th anniversary of the founding of Janisetown will have ns highlight day on May 4 with a ''Festival Tour" of historic shrines. The tour through historic Prince Edward will be sponsored by the c unity inanch iif " '. ! for the Preservation of Virginia Antiquities, with the Longwood Garden Club participating. Through a cooperative effort of local groups. Southside Virgin ia will be united in five days of celebration, starting in Charlotte county May 1 and 2. moving to Halifax county May 3. to Prince Edward May 4 and then to Appo mattox May 5. ’ Charlotte County will conduct tours oi old homes, churches and public buildings. At Halifax the tom will be the 13th Pilgrimage of Old H.difax Homes and at Ap pomattox the events include an opening worship service on the Surrender Grounds, a flower show and art exhibit. Prince Edward's May 4 tour will cany vim tors to old Briery Church, the debtor's prison at, Worsham, the Lockett House, Sandy River Church, Hampden-Sydne.v Col lege. Randolph House and Long wood College, to include the May Day celebration at Longwood Es tate :n mid-afternoon. APVA Branch members are now his-nbutinc an illustrated pam phlet detailing the tour and his toric information about the • brines to b« visited. Similar ma terial is available on the tours in the other counties. On the tour day. lunch may be obtained at the Patrick Henry Rom ill Venable Hall of Hamp Sidney College from 12:30 to 1:30 p. m. Events Coining

\pril X Budapest String Quartet, Long wood College. \pril 1(5 Institute of Southern Culture Spring lectures. Long wood College. May 11 Glee clubs of Hampden-Sydney and Mary Washington College combining to present Mendels sohn's El bah in Gammon Gym nasium. Hampden-Sydney Col lege. H-SC Tigers Open Home IMay Today The Hampden-Sydney baseball Tigers, fresh from week end vic tories against. Norfolk Division ■ 111-6' and Norfolk Naval Base <9-4>. open home competition to day 'Tuesday with Bridgewater College. The H-SC nine wiH also meet touring New Jersey State Teach ers College at Death Valley Thurs day afternoon, and Mt. St. Mary's Saturday

Emergency ARC Meeting Scheduled Red Cross executive board mem bers a n d fund drive chair men and district chairmen are to meet at t p. m. Friday in lhc base ment chapel of Fartnvillc Baptist Church. I)r. \\ (Mis Medium, chairman of the Prince Edward County Red ( ress chapter, has requested that all of those concerned attend the emergency session. Scout’s 3-Day March to Retrace Lee’s Retreat Hiking and history will be tightly into: woven this week end when Ex plorer Scouts in the Piedmont Area Council pf 14 counties retrace 38 miles of the route of Lee's retreat from Savior's Creek to Appomattox. About 60 Explorers and 15 adult leaders will start the three-day march near Lee , fold headquar ters. near Rice, from where he watched the fighting at Savior's Creek. The trek will end at the Surrender Grounds. The expedition, to start about 4 p.m.. Friday will hike 16 miles the first day. 15 on Saturday arid final' accoi nig to Robert Chapprlie, scout field executive foi' the Weyanoke Dis trict. Crossing Appomattox The route first will follow the Jamestown Road, one of the several lateral routes used by the retreating forces under General Robert E Lee. The crossing of the Appomattox river will be over a rope bridge constructed during the week end by adult leaders. The march will continue through Cumberland county, with the hikers crossing Route 45 near Cumberland Church, heading down the toll road, thence through the Appomattox state forest along Lee's route to Route 24 and on to old Appomattox Court House.

All alone the if arch. historic sites, hemes, encampments will be pointed out. many explained by W. R. Turner, of Blackstone, local auth ority on the civil war years. During | a campfire at the first night's halt he will describe the action at Say-; ler's Creek. Points of Interest Ollier points of interest and ex planation will include Lockett farm. High Bridge action. Raine's Tavern. Sheppards. Clifton. Judge Winston's home. Keswick, the Peter Franciscoj tavern near New Store, the stopping places of Lee and Grant, and the toll gates. Chappclle said tedding and food will be trucked separately from the marching column, catching up with the hikers for meals and overnight stops. Dehydrated food will be used, with water the only supply to be carried by the hikers. The hike, which will fall exactly on the !>2nd anniversary of Lees Retreat, will make the marchers eligible for a coveted national award the Boy Scout Histone Trek Av. aid. e : i p ;ed march has aroused great local in terest and has received considerable national attention through Boy Scout channels. There is a possibility a representative of Boy’s Life maga zine may accompany the hikers, he aid. _ V Pickett Buildings To Be Dismantled Bids for tl e sale and removal of in buildings at Camp Pickett’s Blackstone Army Air Base have been asked by the District. En gineer for Uw corps of Engineer.. at Norfolk. Bids will be received until April 25. Included in the advertised work are 15 barracks, three mess halls and other related buildings found m a military contonement area. The Army announcement said the •‘property included has been sen . in d against the known de fense and other requirements of

Four Children Perish In Fire Monday Morning J C Flames Destroy Jack Fee Home South of Worsham Four children of the. Jack Lee family died in a flash fire that destroyed- a rural Prince Edward county honv- about 10 30 a in. Monday morning six miles south of Worsham a short distance off tv K utf The dead in the Negro family if 10 child jen are Aubrey Lee. 5 Norman L*e. 4. and Betsy and Charley Lee, twins, age nine months. The six surviving children, all old as were away at school when the blaze swept through the one story frame dwelling, quickly snuffing cut the lives of the four children caught, inside. Mrs. Lucille Lee. the mother, told a Herald reporter, that she left the children inside when she went to a nearby pasture to see about a cow. She saw smoke, site said, but believed it was coming only from the chimney. When fhe returned in about five mi!.t:;e:-. 11 ip hut v.a> engulfed in flumes. Mis Lee said she could not enter because of the smoke. She believes one of the older chil dren may have been playing wth mutch* to start the fit'- The only fire in the house she said was in a small tin stove. Deputy Sheriff Jack Overton said the bodies of the children were recovered near the back door, and calculated they may have gotten that far in escape efforts when overcome by flame and smoke. The father. Jack Lee, is em ployed at Buffalo Shook Com pany plant at Farmvilie. and was at work Monday morning. The bodies were taken to Bland-Reid Funeral Home. Farm vilie. A graveside funeral service for the four will b-- held today 'Tues day - at 3 p m. -.i N< w Hope i S, county, with interment in the ■ Statewide Interest In Sewage Plant Here. • Town Manager L Z Johnston has received inquints from wide ly scattered towns in Virginia re garding the pilot sewage- lagoon to be built by Farmvilie. Letters and calls from several nearby municipalities. K-uibi sT. Buena Vista. Amelia and McKenny. have been received.

IOOK GI5\NI> LODGE X'lSITORS and Farinville hosts. From left, W. V. Watson. Farinville; Jam's It. Waite# Xlcxandria. rand warden Walter Jessup tails Chinch. tfeput.i i tnd master; Benton O. Dillard. Roanoke, grand master: W I Soaper Warren ton. patiareh militant id sovereign lodge; XI. (■. Smith. Farmvilie. past grand master, and liugene Forest* r, nohle grand <»i Fa-millo lodge 2!)0. Ladies Present on ."2nd \nniversnrv

Odd Felton s Grand Master Hanquel Speaker

' ginia O Fellows, Benton O Dillard, of Roa noke, called the Farmville Lodge's thrce-in-one banquet here Thursday night “one of the year's grand oc casions ui Odd Fellowship ” Oih hundred and five members and guests were present for the banquet at' Cedarbrook which com bined Lodge 290's fifty-second anni versary celebration w 1 t h ladies' night and the grand lodge visiiation life with the grand master and Mrs Dillard for (lie occasion were William F Soaper o! Warrenton, patriarch militant of the grand sov ereign F>dge r international . Walter Jessop. of Falls Church, deputy grand master, and James R. Walter, of Alexandria, grand warden. Visitors Presented Jessop, who will move up to Vir ginia grand master in May, and the other representatives of the grand lodge, acknowledge introductions by T; a.'...a.' r :.f G v,.t_ L.mf

remarks. The toastmaster. Smith, is a former grand master -one of two Farmvilh lodt - 'I'. C. Coleman, the other member for merly holding the highest office in Virginia, was unable to be present. In the chief banquet address. Grand Master Dillard said he had chosen an "unpopular sub.iect—hard wort " Using it as a theme with which to urge greater civic and social endeavor;.. tic adder) that while the subject may be unpopular "it is recommended h i c It 1 v by everyone who has tried it "Don't try to live off of the repu tation r’f Odd Fellows elsewhere, hut roll up your sleeves to the jobs in Farmviile where your hard work will win the affection of your fellow citizens and your accomplishments mem a good name for Lodge 2!>u'\ Dillard said. Recommending the intet national fellowship's aims of toleration r; - -Cc ..... ..... . u o. ...... ..... .

called for "a perpetujil dissatisfac tion with things as they are To be satisfied is to be static, and I here is too much to be done to accept ii Hubbard Kecegni/cd Toastmaster Smith recognized F. W Hnbba-d. i,t KarmviHr the i'-daeonly living oha■ ter member from -the dav of nrjmn’zatKm in May. 100a ili a!: o ptf-ontod W A War "i . j ■ .if rj of ihr Odd Fellow: home at Lynch burg. and Eugene Forester, present noble gsand of the focal lodge After-banquet entertainment wa> provided by {out Long wood College students. Barbara Simpkins. Caro lyn DcHaven, Wayne Boydcn and .loan Ga iter. Mrs. Emily Landrum, ol the Lcngwood College faculty, introduced each before dance, mi; pc and lnstrntucn'al numbers Toastmaster Smith presented each s*.': pvi . ii 0*„ -

Pupil Placement \ct Shields Charlottesville and Arlington

uperv isors’ Annual ?o.ul 'V!eotin/r Friday Prince Edward count' sup r \iors will meet Thursday with persons wishing to present pro jects during the hoard's annual highway meeting. Resident Engineer .! E Park r will be present to discuss with upervisors plans for maintop ante, improvement and constriu tion of county roads, l or tin 1.1 months ending June 30 Prpu • Edward received S‘152.004 for Sec ondly Highway system roads. Supervisors convene at 10:30 a m., in the board room adjoining the county clerk's office

\: v. i*v School D i vision Split Authorized The State Boat'd of Educa'iun Thursday approved the division of t the Amelia and Nottoway counties into separate school districts, and paved the way for a; ;< '-.ament of 0 A. Norton as Amelia superinten dent of schools - Earlier the school boards and sup ervisors of both counties requested the division. C. M. Busstoger has served as superintendent of the com bined district, a position he re signed to accept a similar post in Loudoun county. Amelia's Parent-Teacher Associa tion and school board members ap peared solidly behind Norton's can didacy for superintaedent. He ha been mentioned as the logical can didate for the post since the di vision of school was first : ugfoxsted by a group of Amelia parents who objected to what they felt was a lack of attention with the combined district. Noi ton is now principal of Amelia High School, a position he has held since 1*140. except for four years with the Air Forci during World ' from the University of Virginia and has done graduate work at Duke University. H,- eitcy/s as Sltpei UUClHIflU IS expected to be a mailer of formality at the nex . - etin 1 )(>”• ( onfinemer.i Ordinance Now Ip The Farmville municipal or-ii nancf requirin tin w f.. ... of dogs for the spring and sum mer months went into effect April 1. Police Chief Otto Overton reminded today

Federal (Turt Kef uses To Set Date l P-dme Pd ward To Desegregate

A formal order giving Prince Edward Schools unlimited time ir. w t■ c'•* to roc ally integrate their public schools was filed n 1.13 Fed >io.l District Court in Richmond, March 27 The order, signed by Federal Judge Sterling Hutcheson, s tine formal order of his opinion given in January, when the ose was before his court

M&i Sentenced y.-v Destru^ion f,f Ca Ira Mill l' t c rent c. >;• of Cumberland runty found five persons guilty ■ nd tv i not guilty in cases heard i i <cntly. On March it'. Raymond Guthrie. !- . a id G C Adams, Jr . w« re | tound nut guilty of the charge of l itson in coiuieeu.in with the burn . ug dowr. of the old Ca Ira mill. Walker H. Dowdy, also accused ! n the Ca Ira a son case, pleaded guilty to the arson charges and re ceived a si ntence of two years in he slate pi uitentnuy. Judge Flood -ii: pi ueoi> t!i. :.to:.oi \\ ith five rears on probation, and ordered that Dowdy be committed to Eastern State Hospital for treatment. James Darrel Crowe, who was nc i -used of statutory burglary, pleaded | unity to the charges and was sen | fenced to two years m the peni 'entiary. Judge 1 ,(ntence and placed the defendant ■ /ii five years probation Douglas Johnson. Negro, pleach 1 ; tuilty of larceny charges and rr i erred a !2 months tall sentence, fudge fin'd suspended Hie sentence md placed hun on probation for free years. The court also required Mint -he must make restitution to i M- J Walton Sanderson in the sum if $150 for property taken, repay Mr Phillip Guv the purchase price of a certain water pump returned • m Mr. Sanderson by Mr. Gay. and ■ 'hat he pay the costs of this prose cution.’*

On March 22. me c tun iounci iEl jiih Mayo. Ner.ro, guilty of rape mi sentenced iirn to five years in : r!ie state penitentiai'y A v.iven'ic colored girl was inycjlved in tlu ! r H SO . On March 28. Marshall Mitchell. Negro, was tn< d on the charm- of lelonmus assa :lt. He pleaded n ■: guilty and was found guilty of a ’esse chiigge of assault. He re ceived a tM day jail! .sentence. Mit chell was cha: nod with firing a shot ilast between his wife and her mother as they '.vert walking down the road.

in his opinion. Judge JTutcn cson said it was imperative that the Prince Edward C-'uniy Schools b? allowed additional time under the Supreme Court ruling. Hutchison let; the case on le. docket for "such further proceed ings as may bt appropriate Thus the case may be brought before the court again to ask Judge Hutcheson to set a date for inte gration. Schools Under Order In other action last wc-k th" United States Supreme Court : - fused to review lower court ord ers directing Charlottesville ami Arlington county to start- racial (i'-'t.'g regal ion in their public schools. This means, in. effect, that as soon as the court mandate is re layed via the P lurth Circuit Court of Appeal to the District Courts in the two localities, the desegre gation others become operative. The desegregation orders of the Federal court were stayed pending compleUtion of the appeal pro cess, Charlottesville is under the Fed eral District court order of Judge John Paul to begin desegregation of its schools as of last Septem ber (13561. Arlington, by order of Judge Albert V. Bryan, was sup pa.- d to de.v gr'gate its elemen tal:. schools January 31. 1957 and Us high . ciiools by September 1357 These are the decisions of the Federal Courts that the Su preme Court refused to review. Lack Lower to \ct However, the school boards of Arlington county and Charlottes ville. cannot by Virginia State law make any changes in the placement of pupils in the public schools. All applications of Ne groes for admission to white schools must be referred to the Stati- Pupil Placement Board. This is the opinion given to the school boards by Virginia Attorney General J. Lindsay Almond. To further confuse the picture. F n ral Judo' W.Iter E. H Tinian of N >ifolk lam decliired the Vir ginia Pup.i Placemen; Act uncon stitutional on its face. This deci ;. being appealed to the Cir ca.: C n t of Appeals. V < . Case Parallel

Meantime. Almond .said, the act clearly divests local school au thorities of any power to make assignments or tiansfer pupils from one school to another. In other action that sheds some light on the Virginia pupil place ment laws, the U, S. Supreme Court refused an appeal by a group of N i-gro parents seeking admission of their children to a white school in North Carolina, on tiie grounds that the group had not used all administrative reme dies open to them under the pupil assignment act of North, Carolina. G'orrc B Patton. Attorney General of North Carolina, said was his opinion that the rul ing means that the Supreme Court regards the pupil placement law as constitutional. Clinics Announced For Children Filtering Schools in September The first of a series of pre school clinics for children who will enter public schools for the first time in September will be held at the Health Department at Farmville on W dnesdav. Apr.l 3. A 0 to 30 a. m . clinic will be for children entering Fust Hock, Peaks and Mercy Scat schools Tin* afternoon clinic, from 1 to 2 30 o'clock, will be for children who will enter the first grade at, Farmville Elementary School. Families desiring to do so may send children to private physici ans for the same service The schedule of clinics in suc ceeding weeks will be announced in subsequent, editions of The Herald. The Health Depaitment is located in the basement floor of the Prince Edward county courthouse.

I* II IJ.’sobaSI League 3K'cting Here Tonight 'I he organizational meeting of the Pa! rick Henry Baseball League, to include election of of ficers. scheduling and adoption of rules, will be held tonight ' Mon day i at 8 o'clock m the Prince Edward county courthouse. Representatives of the six teams •eniativdy entered will be pru ..